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編號:DVD882(3片裝)
日期:2009.10.03
地點:香港
性質:視訊研討會
用語:英文









字幕:英、簡體中文、正體中文、悠樂、韓、日、蒙古、印尼、泰、印度、旁遮普、希伯來、波斯、阿拉伯、土耳其、俄、波蘭、羅馬尼亞、匈牙利、德、法、義、西、葡、荷、烏爾都(26種)



清海無上師以英文講於香港「心連心、救地球」視訊會議 2009.10.03
:吃素救地球,是我們所能採取的最刻不容緩也最可行的行動,但是我們也應該顧及畜牧業、副食品工業和運輸、批發零售、餐飲等相關行業,以及其他既得利益者,這些衝擊和改變可能會對他們影響非常大。即使政府願意拋開經濟考量,但對有些人來說,要他們從這些慣以為生的專長、投資、習慣等等轉型,仍是難以調適。請問師父,怎樣才能讓他們重新投入別的行業並願意做出改變?

師父:多謝!感謝您的提問,也謝謝您關心其他人。我們的確必須顧及那些您所提到的從業人士,以及他們要如何改變生活,不過這並不難。


首先,我們必須了解,我們除了改變,別無選擇。那些行業和地球無法並存;我們要不就改變,要不就全部滅亡,別無選擇。我們若不停止畜牧業和肉食習慣,就無法拯救地球,包括業者自己和他們的肉品事業都無法存續。所以,我認為我們必須在生命與事業間作抉擇。我們必須先存活下來,必須顧及全體世人,而不是只考慮到一些行業。情況真的是很緊急!


處在這個緊要關頭,那些以肉品業為生的人若能獲得適當資訊,並了解改變他們的生活方式和職業事關重大,就會願意改變。他們有許多強烈動機,舉例而言,首先是讓地球免於氣候災難,拯救這個世界的所有生命。如果我們不懸崖勒馬,再下去就要面臨全面的災難和大滅絕,無論你是否從事肉品生意、肉品運輸業或其他相關的職業,每個人都會受到影響。








 


肉品業是無利可圖的行業



其次,我們所談論的肉品業是一種糟糕的行業,對整個地球或對任何人都毫無利益可言。它是最無效率的行業,中文我們說「虧本生意」。現今,肉品業並非是有利可圖的行業,生產成本很高,必須耗費很多電力、水和穀物,才能生產等量的所謂「食物」,而這種食物卻有更好的替代品,我們有比肉更好的食物。若政府不給予肉品業任何補助,那麼光是在印度砍伐林地所製造出來的漢堡,就會要價200美元,而不是像你在某些商店買的那樣只要99分錢。一個漢堡的實際代價,會是200美元。


目前在美國,甚至在豬流感影響養豬業之前,養豬業即已虧損數十億美元。為什麼?因為高糧價使他們無法負擔餵養牲畜的飼料。現今糧價日益高漲,他們怎麼生存?你們繳給政府的稅金,政府再拿去補助他們,這就是他們的生存之道。所以這是虧本生意。世界各地,從美國到中國,政府每年都必須補助動物養殖業者至少數百億美元,每年支付肉品業數百億美元!這些錢從哪裡來?



聽眾:納稅人!


師父:納稅人!答對了!你們真聰明,是你們的錢!你們每天辛苦賺的錢,流汗、流淚所賺的寶貴的「錢」,要養活自己、照顧家庭、保護自己的小孩和親朋好友,卻輾轉流入肉品業,為了讓他們活命。然後大家去買肉,還覺得:「哇!真便宜!一個漢堡才99分錢,天啊!」然後不斷光顧漢堡店,但吃的卻是自己的錢。







吃肉危害我們的健康

師父:如果吃肉會讓你健康快樂,那還說得過去,但卻非如此。那些漢堡和牛肉餅是由動物的各個部位製成,動物甚至來路不明,而且也含有各種細菌和疾病。


如果您從醫學雜誌或醫學家那裡查詢相關訊息,就會得到所有這些資料。我們不僅繳很多稅金去補助肉品業,而且還要負擔更多醫療費,然後花錢埋葬我們所愛的人,並一輩子承受失去一位或多位至親的悲痛。好,就算生死在所難免,然而徘徊於生死間的痛苦--戳、挖、打針、呼吸器、氧氣罩等住院治療的折磨--我們脆弱的身體不需承受這一切痛苦。如果我們不吃肉,就可避免這些痛苦,以及住院治療所花的錢。


不只是我們要忍受生病治療之苦,在那之前,還會造成更多動物受苦,因為他們被抓去做實驗--活體解剖、注射化學藥劑進入他們的身體,讓他們遭受無盡的痛苦、折磨--只為獲取我們認為人類可以安全使用的藥物,然而到頭來人類還是無法安全使用。這一切痛苦,以及繳納不完的稅金;大家日夜拼命工作,勉強維持生計,養家活口,而這些稅金卻被用在相反的方向。你們根本沒有受益,只是浪費資源、財力、國力,以及蹧蹋人類的健康幸福,就這樣白白蹧蹋而已。這真是糟糕透頂的行業!


由此可見,肉品業很可怕,在每個層面都對我們造成巨大的危害。現在如果政府不再補助支持他們,畜牧業的經營根本入不敷出,他們早就結束營運了。因此,我建議政府別再補助畜牧業,反而要勸告他們轉行從事純素農業。


除此之外,肉品業對多數工作者而言並非安全的職場,反而是最危險、受傷率最高的行業之一,工作人員還得暴露在化學藥品和疾病當中,像是流感、豬流感、禽流感等等,以及無可救藥的致命狂牛症。狂牛症至今仍無法治癒,任何人罹患狂牛症,只有死路一條。


現在我們必須捫心自問:這樣值得嗎?我們還沒談到吃肉所引發的各種疾病--癌症、糖尿病、心臟病和其他健康問題,幾乎所有說得出來的病,都是由吃肉或肉品相關產業所引起的。因此,若有更好的謀生選擇,難道我們不該選擇對自己有益又可讓他人保持健康的職業,而非那些會導致大眾和自己生病又早夭的職業?大家同意嗎?



全體聽眾:同意!


師父:謝謝各位!萬分感謝各位!



有機農業正在流行






師父:我以前就建議過,我們應該告訴農場經營者--寫信給他們,如果可以的話,甚至一一拜訪他們--設法告訴他們有更好的替代方式,例如種植有機蔬菜等等。有機食品現在供不應求,很流行,現在許多人都改吃素或純素,大家都知道有機蔬菜對健康很有益處。


你看,如果吃有機蔬菜,就幾乎不必上醫院,而可以將那些錢省下來,讓孩子受更好的教育,使老人得到更好的照顧,建造更美的道路、更多設備、發明,以及提供永續能源給大家免費使用;讓大家免費使用能源、讓所有孩子免費接受教育、讓所有老人免費享有照護、讓全世界至少十億飢民有免費的糧食可吃,好處不勝枚舉。我可以寫1萬本書,列舉吃素的好處和肉品業的危害,不過我讓各位作點研究,因為你們都懂得當代的電腦科技,知道如何上網找資料。


您提到我們也應顧及肉品業者,也提到他們可能難以改變,其實並非如此!現在已有許多人轉型為有機農民,愛爾蘭的農業部長甚至致函愛爾蘭的所有農民,建議他們轉種有機蔬菜 ,甚至還給予補助。目前有極大比例的農民都轉型從事有機農業,我真替愛爾蘭高興!


現在再舉一個例子供您參考。美國有位豬農養了許多豬隻,全都擠在骯髒的養殖場內。在著名的純素作家約翰‧羅賓斯(John Robbins)來訪後--大家可能知道他,他是知名冰淇淋企業的繼承人,卻為了純素的理想而放棄繼承父親數百萬美元的冰淇淋事業--這位豬農突然記起自己小時候很愛一隻豬,視他為摯友和伴侶,但由於家庭和社會的壓力,迫使他否認並遺忘這份親密的感情……你知道的,來自傳統、家傳事業的壓力。但他在明白這番道理之後,就再也無法傷害那些溫馴的豬隻,他決定退出這個行業,不再養豬。他買了一個小型的有機農場,販售有機蔬菜,而且做得有聲有色!他還在世,我想他的內心一定比從前更有活力。此外他還有個副業,他從以前的養豬場保留了10隻豬當寵物,現在經常帶著他們走進校園,讓學童了解豬是多麼聰明友善,進而不再吃豬肉,比方說這樣。他不僅不再養豬,相反的,他進一步去保護動物。


有位養牛大亨是德州人。德州飼養很多牛,是「牛仔」一詞的發源地。他擁有一座大型牧場,後來因肉食罹癌,突然改頭換面。他病癒後改吃純素,現在是動物保護人士。他到處演講,告訴大家關於畜牧業的真相,揭發這種黑心事業的殘酷真相。這位堅定不移的動保人士就是霍華‧李曼(Howard Lyman),他來自德州,曾在「無上師電視台」的節目中擔任演講嘉賓一、兩次。若您想了解他,可下載有關他的訪談內容,網站上有檔案可以下載。


最近伊朗有位酪農來函講述他自己的故事。為了幫助地球,並對得起自己的良心,他也決定轉業。他安排他所養的牛都被好心、安全的家庭收養,可以有尊嚴地安度餘生。目前他任職於一家純素餐廳。


另外一個故事是,福爾摩沙有位養豬戶在看了「無上師電視台」後有所領悟,他想要保護環境,並避免給自己和家人造下惡業,因而改吃純素。您知道他目前從事什麼行業嗎?他將自己所養的豬當成家人般寵愛照顧一生,而且改行從事農耕。


在所有這些例證中,當事人都過得很好,甚至比以前更好。但我建議那些將所養的豬或牛當寵物照顧的人應先為他們結紮,才不會繼續繁殖太多動物,否則又將重蹈覆轍,若動物繼續大量繁殖下去,情況甚至會更糟。這些當事人想要改變自己的終生職業,一開始需要極大的勇氣,但他們都可以保證,這麼做很值得,太值得了!他們的內心和精神變得非常輕鬆自在,家人也都快樂而健康,這是很值得的。






改採慈悲生活方式,刻不容緩

現今,農民、零售商、運輸業者有越來越多的好機會。運輸業者還是從事本業,只不過是將運送豬隻改為運送有機蔬菜。農民、零售商可以從肉品業轉行從事有機蔬菜的種植和販售。回歸傳統的有機農法,在非洲已證實成功,這是其中一例,另外在美洲、 歐洲和澳洲等地,有機純素農業目前成長極為快速,獲利也極為可觀,因為需求日增,民眾越來越了解肉食的害處和素食的好處。因此有機純素農業對任何想轉業的人應是很好的選擇。我們在「無上師電視台」也有專門介紹有機農業的節目,網站(www.SupremeMasterTV.com )上也設有專區,分享許多有機農法的資訊。有機農業獲利豐厚、用水較少、農務大減,而且對我們、業者和地球的健康都極為有益。歡迎大家瀏覽這些資訊,並發掘這種和諧農業所帶來的巨大利益。


我們應該立即摒棄有害、不永續的肉品業,採取更文明、更有效率、更永續、更人道的謀生方法,也就是從事有機純素農業、經營純素餐廳、生產或販售純素產品等等,事不宜遲。凡是與慈悲生活有關的,就對您有益,並能取悅上天,還可拯救地球。這不僅是好的行業,還可拯救地球,而且現在和未來都將救人無數,包括那些肉品業者。因此佛陀才說肉品業是人們不應從事的5種行業之一。大家想知道其他4種嗎?



全體聽眾:想。






師父:其他4種是:販賣武器、販賣人口、販賣酒類或麻醉品和販賣毒品。這些有害的行業對業者的現在和未來都不好。


如果你相信有來世,如果你相信有天堂和地獄,就應立即停止肉品業,最好昨日就停止了。因為一旦你造成其他眾生痛苦,不管是人或動物,以後你都不會有好報,痛苦會加倍奉還,而且會持續好久。因此,那些肉品業者應加入這股已經開始日益擴展的風潮,我很高興這麼說。謝謝各位。開始吃素!加入環保!種植有機蔬菜!




線上觀看「無上師電視台」轉播這場視訊會議的精采實況:http://video.Godsdirectcontact.net/magazine/WOW1163s.php

http://www.godsdirectcontact.org.tw/ch/news/206/index.htm


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Forego Harmful Business for the
Planet-Saving Lifestyle


Spoken by Supreme Master Ching Hai, Videoconference: Global Unity: Together in Saving Lives, Hong Kong, October 3, 2009 (Originally in English)


Q: Being veg to save our planet is the most urgent and feasible action we can take. However, we should also care for the livestock raising industry, non-staple foodstuff industry, and related businesses like transportation, wholesale/retail, catering, and others who have established vested interests in the business. The impact and change might be great for them. Even if the government is willing to put aside economic considerations, some people may still have a hard time coping with the shifts in their area of expertise, investments, habits, etc. I would like to ask Master, what can be done so that they will be able to restart a new business and be willing to change?

SM: Thank you! Thank you for your question, and thanks for your consideration for others. It is true, that we have to take into consideration those people who are in the businesses that you have mentioned and how they would change their lives. But it’s not difficult.

First of all, we have to know that we have no choice but to change. We have no choice—either that or the planet! Either we change, or we will all go. There’s no choice anymore. If we don’t stop the livestock-raising and meat-eating practices, we will not be able to save the planet, including them and their meat business. So, I think we have to choose between our lives and a career. We have to survive first. We have to think of the planet’s people as a whole, not just some business. It is truly that urgent.

Given this critical necessity, those people who are economically tied to the meat industry would be willing to change, if they were properly informed and know how important it is to change their lifestyle and their career. They have many strong motivations. For example, the first is to save the planet from a climate catastrophe, to save all lives in this world. If we don’t stop it, we will continue on a course towards total disaster and mass extinction, affecting everyone, whether you are in the business of meat, transportation for it, or other jobs related to the meat industry or not.


Meat Business is a Losing Business





Second, the industry that we are talking about is a bad business. It is not lucrative at all for the whole planet, or for anyone. It’s a most inefficient business. In Chinese, we would say “a losing business (‘Kui Ben’).” Now, the meat industry is not a very lucrative business, with very high production costs for electricity, water and grains that have to be wasted to produce the same amount of so-called “food,” which is replaceable and better. We have better food than meat. If the government didn’t give the meat industry any subsidies, then the hamburger that some people eat—produced by clearing forests in India alone—would cost US$200! Not just 99 cents like you buy it in some shops. It would cost US$200—the real cost of a hamburger.

Now in the US, even before the swine flu impacted the pig farming business, the pig industry was losing billions of dollars. Why? Because they could not afford the grain to feed their livestock due to the high food prices; and the food prices are getting higher and higher nowadays. So how do they survive? Your tax money goes to the government, the government subsidizes them—that’s how they survive. So it’s a losing business. Everywhere, from the US to China, the government has to subsidize animal farmers by paying them at least tens of billions of US dollars every year! Tens of billions of US dollars every year for the meat industry! And where does the money come from?

Audience: Taxpayers!

SM: Taxpayers, yes, correct! You are so smart. Your money! Your money from your hard-earned daily, sweating, and tears to earn that precious substance that we call “money” to feed yourself, to take care of your family, to protect your children, your relatives and friends. This money has been draining into the meat industry in order to keep them alive, and then when you buy some piece of meat you think, “Wow! So cheap! A hamburger—99 cents! My God!” Then you keep going to the hamburger shop. But that’s your money that you’re eating.


Meat Eating Is Detrimental to our Health






SM: If you could eat that and be healthy and happy, then it would be reasonable. But it’s not. These hamburgers and beef burgers contain all parts of the animals that you don’t know where they even come from, and contain all kinds of bacteria and all kinds of diseases.

If you want information from the medical journals or medical scientists, they will tell you all this. Not only do we pay a lot of tax money into subsidies for the meat industry, we pay a lot more tax money for the hospitalization, for the burying of our loved ones, for the heartache that we have to bear our whole lifetime for losing one of our dearest, or many of our dearest. Okay, life and death we can’t avoid, but the suffering in between—the hospitalization, the poking, picking, injecting, breathing machine, oxygen supporter, etc.—all this suffering is unnecessary for our fragile body to bear. If we avoid meat, we will avoid all that, the money for hospitals and medicine.

Not only that, before we get the medicine, we make more animals suffer by experimenting with them—by vivisection, by injecting chemicals into their bodies, by making them suffer, torturing to no end—just to obtain the medicine that we feel is safe for human use. And again, it’s still not safe for human use. All this suffering, all this tax money, paying again and again; and you’re working day and night to make ends meet, just to survive, and all this money goes into different directions. It doesn’t help you at all. It’s just wasting resources, finance, national strength, and human health and happiness. It’s just a waste. It’s just a very, very bad business.

So, you see, the meat industry is terrible, terribly harmful to us in every imaginable situation, in any imaginable aspect. Now, if the subsidies stop going in support of them, the farmers of the animal-raising industry could not make ends meet with their business. They would have gone out of business already. So, I suggest the government not give any more subsidies to the animal-raising industry. Instead, tell them to convert to vegan farming.

Now besides all that, for the majority of the workers in the meat business, it’s not a safe workplace either. It’s one of the most dangerous jobs with some of the highest rates of injury and exposure to chemicals and diseases, like influenza, swine flu, bird flu, etc., and mad cow disease, which is always fatal, always deadly. Mad cow disease, up to now, we can’t even cure. For anyone who contracts mad cow disease, their life is terminated.

Now we have to ask ourselves: Is it all worth it? This is not to talk about the effect on the meat consumers in terms of all the sicknesses—cancers, diabetes, heart disease and other health problems. Almost all diseases that you can name come from the meat diet or related industry. So, given a better choice of livelihood, wouldn’t we choose the one that helps ourselves and others stay healthy, over a profession that makes people and ourselves sick and die young? Would you say yes or no?

Audience: Yes!

SM: Thank you. Thank you so much.



Organic Farming Is “In”








SM: I have suggested before that we should talk to the farmers—write to them, even go to them one by one if you can afford it—to try to show them that there are better alternatives, such as growing organic vegetables. Nowadays, organic food is very much in demand, very “in.” Many people turn into vegetarian or vegan now. And everyone knows organic vegetables are very healthy.

You see, if you eat organic vegetables, you will hardly have to go to the hospital, and all that money we can save for better education for the children, for better care for the elderly, and for building more beautiful roads, more equipment, inventions, and use it more for sustainable energies for free for everyone. Free energy for everyone, free education for all the children, free care for all the elderly, and free food for all the one billion, at least, hungry people in the world. The benefit has no ends. I can write 10 thousand books about the benefits of the vegetarian diet and the harms of the meat industry. But I’ll let you do the research a little bit, because you know all the good techniques nowadays with computers and information on the Internet.

You mentioned that we should also care about the people who have been in the meat industry and that it may be difficult for them to change. It’s not so. There are many who are converting themselves into organic farmers right now. In Ireland, the Agriculture Minister even wrote to all the farmers in Ireland to tell them to convert themselves to organic vegetable farming, and they’ll even subsidize them. Right now, there’s a huge percentage of farmers converting to organic farming. I am so happy for Ireland.

Now, as another example for your reference, there was one American pig farmer who had owned many pigs all crammed into a filthy factory farm. After being visited by the famous vegan author John Robbins—you probably know him, the famous ice cream heir who left his father’s multi-million dollar ice cream business in order to go into a vegan direction—this farmer suddenly remembered that in his childhood he truly loved one pig as his close friend and companion. But he was forced to deny and forget this loving feeling due to the pressure of his family and society . . . you know, tradition, business from the father. But after realizing it, he could no longer abuse the gentle pigs one second more. He decided to quit. So instead of raising pigs, he bought a small organic farm and sells organic vegetables; and he’s doing fine! He’s still alive! And his heart is still more alive than ever, I guess. As a side job, he brings his10 pet pigs—he has 10 as his pets that he kept from his old farm—and often visits schools now, to show the children how intelligent and friendly pigs really are, so the children will not eat the pigs, for example. Not only does he not raise pigs anymore, he goes in the opposite direction to protect the animals.

There was a rancher, he’s a Texan. In Texas, they raise a lot of cows and that’s where the word “cowboy” comes from. He owned a big ranch of cows but then suddenly he changed because he had cancer from meat. After he treated himself, he became vegan, and now he’s an animal advocate. He goes everywhere lecturing, telling people the truth, the real truth, the cruel truth and the bad business truth about raising animals. He’s a very staunch advocate for animals. His name is Howard Lyman. He’s from Texas. He was a guest speaker once or twice on Supreme Master Television. You can download his interview again. It’s still in the file to download if you want to know about him.

Recently in Iran, there was a dairy cow farmer—he even wrote to us telling his story—who also decided that he needed to change his career to help the planet and his own conscience. So, he made sure all his cows were adopted into good, safe homes to live the rest of their dignified lives. Now, he works at a vegan restaurant.

Another story comes from Formosa (Taiwan) where a pig farmer just became vegan after watching Supreme Master Television and realizing that he wanted to protect the environment and avoid bad karmic retribution for himself and his family. So right now, you know what he is doing? He is keeping all his pigs as spoilt family-member pets, for life; and he is switching to a different kind of farming.

In all these cases, the people involved are doing just fine, even better than ever before. But I suggest that all the people who keep their pigs or cows as pets, I think we should sterilize them so that we don’t continue to breed too many animals, because then we would be in the same position as right now, or even worse if they keep multiplying. It took a great amount of courage in the beginning to change their whole life career around, but all of them would guarantee that it was worth it, more than worth it. It’s worth the great freedom of their heart, their spirit, and happiness of their family as well, and health.



It’s High Time to Switch to the Compassionate Lifestyle



 






Nowadays, there are more and more good opportunities for the farmers, retailers, transporters. They just do the same: instead of transporting pigs, they transport organic vegetables. The farmer retailers could switch from the meat business to organic vegetable farming. Returning to traditional organic farming methods is already proven successful in Africa, for example, and in some places like the Americas, Europe, and Australia. Organic vegan farming is growing very, very fast, and is very, very profitable right now, because there is a growing demand. People are more informed about the harms of meat and more informed about the benefits of a vegetarian diet. So organic vegan vegetable farming should be very, very good for anyone who wants to switch business. On Supreme Master Television, we also feature a whole section about organic farming, on our website as well, at www.SupremeMasterTV.com. On this website, we share a lot of info about how to do organic farming, which is very profitable, uses less water, is a lot less work, and is very beneficial to our health, to the workers and to the planet. So please, feel free to take a look and discover for yourself the great benefits of harmonious farming.

It’s high time we turn away from the harmful, unsustainable meat business and move toward a more civilized, more efficient, more sustainable, more humane means to earn a living, namely organic vegan farming, vegan restaurants, vegan products, vegan product selling, etc. Everything to do with compassionate living is good for you and it’s pleasing to Heaven. And it will save the planet. It’s not just good business, it will save the planet, and it will save countless lives, now and in the future, including the ones involved in the meat business. That’s why the Buddha named the meat business as one of the five businesses that people should not engage in. Do you want to know the other four as well?






Audience: Yes.

SM: The other four are: business in weapons, business in human trafficking, business in intoxicants and business in poisons. All these harmful businesses are bad for you, now and in the future.

If you believe in the life hereafter, if you believe in Heaven and hell, you should stop the meat business immediately, like yesterday, because nothing good awaits you in the life hereafter if you cause suffering to others, be they humans or animals. You will have multiple suffering in return, and for a long, long time. So instead, these people in the meat industry should join in the trend, which has already begun and expands hugely every day, I am happy to say. Thank you. Be Veg! Go Green! Plant Organic Vegetables!
 

To watch the Supreme Master Television’s coverage of this videoconference, please visit: http://video.Godsdirectcontact.net/magazine/WOW1163s.php


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